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	<title>Comments on: War on 209: Stating the Obvious</title>
	<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/</link>
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		<title>By: Conservative 771</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative 771</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1021</guid>
		<description>If you're in a minority, then you're part of a minority.  No quotes about it.  And for reasons that I understand to have originated in the free speech of the 60's, the University of California Berkeley is revered by many Asian parents (many of them originally chinese) because of China's own reaction towards free speech (crush it)--At least that's my guess.  As for you being a "minority" or a minority, it makes little difference.  What is different is that other minorities have been less fortunate than the Asian minority.  Keep in mind the Asian minority is also often referred to as the "model minority."  I won't qualify those quotes because it's a whole new debate that I'd rather not go into.

Also, I'm not talking about political correctness.

Now, coming back to your point of equally reprehensive wrongdoings, I agree that genocide is equally reprehensible no matter who does it.  However, this doesn't rule out the need that some people have to categorize something as reverse discrimination.  Changing this slightly, because you're not arguing "reverse discrimination" but that all things that discriminate are equally reprehensible, I'll still disagree on a fundamental level.  What if a scholarship service provides money for high achieving kids in wheel chairs?  That is discriminating against those that can walk on their own two feet, but it is reasoned that these kids deserve some extra money because of the trouble they have gone through.  Now, think again, of a scholarship service that provides money for high achieving Latino students because, not only did they overcome the same barriers as the rest of america's students, they overcame a whole different set of barriers that specifically arise in Latino families.  Consider another example, the idea of a scholarship service that gives only white kids money.  Are all these examples of discrimination the same?  You're probably contesting the inclusion of the first one.  In that case, are the last two equally reprehensible?  How can it be so morally evil in your eyes to help out a group of people that struggled a great deal more than most others do to just send their kids to college, let alone get them to graduate?  Or, how a scholarship aimed squarely at white kids is on the same footing as a latino scholarship when it does not level the "playing field," but continues to make it more unfair.

See, this playing field is rarely fair, built on capitalism and past racism it's understandable that history came about in this way.  However, what's wrong with trying to level the educational playing field with private scholarships or government action?  This is where anti-discriminatinatory law gets its bearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re in a minority, then you&#8217;re part of a minority.  No quotes about it.  And for reasons that I understand to have originated in the free speech of the 60&#8217;s, the University of California Berkeley is revered by many Asian parents (many of them originally chinese) because of China&#8217;s own reaction towards free speech (crush it)&#8211;At least that&#8217;s my guess.  As for you being a &#8220;minority&#8221; or a minority, it makes little difference.  What is different is that other minorities have been less fortunate than the Asian minority.  Keep in mind the Asian minority is also often referred to as the &#8220;model minority.&#8221;  I won&#8217;t qualify those quotes because it&#8217;s a whole new debate that I&#8217;d rather not go into.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not talking about political correctness.</p>
<p>Now, coming back to your point of equally reprehensive wrongdoings, I agree that genocide is equally reprehensible no matter who does it.  However, this doesn&#8217;t rule out the need that some people have to categorize something as reverse discrimination.  Changing this slightly, because you&#8217;re not arguing &#8220;reverse discrimination&#8221; but that all things that discriminate are equally reprehensible, I&#8217;ll still disagree on a fundamental level.  What if a scholarship service provides money for high achieving kids in wheel chairs?  That is discriminating against those that can walk on their own two feet, but it is reasoned that these kids deserve some extra money because of the trouble they have gone through.  Now, think again, of a scholarship service that provides money for high achieving Latino students because, not only did they overcome the same barriers as the rest of america&#8217;s students, they overcame a whole different set of barriers that specifically arise in Latino families.  Consider another example, the idea of a scholarship service that gives only white kids money.  Are all these examples of discrimination the same?  You&#8217;re probably contesting the inclusion of the first one.  In that case, are the last two equally reprehensible?  How can it be so morally evil in your eyes to help out a group of people that struggled a great deal more than most others do to just send their kids to college, let alone get them to graduate?  Or, how a scholarship aimed squarely at white kids is on the same footing as a latino scholarship when it does not level the &#8220;playing field,&#8221; but continues to make it more unfair.</p>
<p>See, this playing field is rarely fair, built on capitalism and past racism it&#8217;s understandable that history came about in this way.  However, what&#8217;s wrong with trying to level the educational playing field with private scholarships or government action?  This is where anti-discriminatinatory law gets its bearing.</p>
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		<title>By: patr</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>patr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I agree with you on this point. There are obviously different levels of discrimination, from subtle racial stereotyping to fullblown ethnic cleansing. My point is that, all things being equal, discrimination is discrimination no matter which group practices it. As in, if whites or blacks practice genocide, they are equally reprehensive in my eyes. There is no need to categorize something as "reverse discrimination" because both cases are equally wrong and equally discriminatory.

I'm glad you caught my use of quotes around the word "minority." I happen to be of Asian descent (Filipino to be exact). Somehow, Asians are no longer a "politically correct" minority. Especially here at Berkeley; whenever you hear about the lack of minorities here, the only possible way to come to that conclusion is if you discount Asians. Not that there's anything special about being part of a minority group. It's just interesting to see how the media can spin the meaning a certain way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I agree with you on this point. There are obviously different levels of discrimination, from subtle racial stereotyping to fullblown ethnic cleansing. My point is that, all things being equal, discrimination is discrimination no matter which group practices it. As in, if whites or blacks practice genocide, they are equally reprehensive in my eyes. There is no need to categorize something as &#8220;reverse discrimination&#8221; because both cases are equally wrong and equally discriminatory.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you caught my use of quotes around the word &#8220;minority.&#8221; I happen to be of Asian descent (Filipino to be exact). Somehow, Asians are no longer a &#8220;politically correct&#8221; minority. Especially here at Berkeley; whenever you hear about the lack of minorities here, the only possible way to come to that conclusion is if you discount Asians. Not that there&#8217;s anything special about being part of a minority group. It&#8217;s just interesting to see how the media can spin the meaning a certain way.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative 771</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1018</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative 771</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1018</guid>
		<description>Shocking?  Hardly.  Like before, it sounds more naive.  And why do you put quotes around minority?

Anyway, you can think what you want, but discrimination is NOT always the same discrimination when different parties are involved.  Simply put, the white supremacists of the 60's were far more fearsome in their ability to cause harm than the Black supremacists of the time.  That very principle, that one group had more power over the other, suggests that they needed to be viewed differently.  A cannon is, in principle, more powerful than a shotgun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shocking?  Hardly.  Like before, it sounds more naive.  And why do you put quotes around minority?</p>
<p>Anyway, you can think what you want, but discrimination is NOT always the same discrimination when different parties are involved.  Simply put, the white supremacists of the 60&#8217;s were far more fearsome in their ability to cause harm than the Black supremacists of the time.  That very principle, that one group had more power over the other, suggests that they needed to be viewed differently.  A cannon is, in principle, more powerful than a shotgun.</p>
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		<title>By: patr</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>patr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1015</guid>
		<description>Conservative 771: I'm a "minority" and I believe what I do. Shocking huh?

And I never used the term "reverse discrimination" mostly because I think discrimination is discrimination, no matter what parties are involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative 771: I&#8217;m a &#8220;minority&#8221; and I believe what I do. Shocking huh?</p>
<p>And I never used the term &#8220;reverse discrimination&#8221; mostly because I think discrimination is discrimination, no matter what parties are involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative 771</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1012</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative 771</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-1012</guid>
		<description>Yeah, wow.  How naive you are.  You think race has nothing to do with anything, don't you.  I agree with you, in part, that there generally shouldn't be race based discrimination.  However, anti-discrimation is NOT the same thing.  And, you are blissful to think that minority students don't encounter more barriers that come between their life and academia thus making it just as challenging for you to get into Berkeley.  While many students of all ethnicities encounter these barriers, the majority of them are minorities.  This IS a result of previous racial injustice.  Previous racial discrimination.  Thus, anti-discrimination is an attempt to work against the social stratification that resulted from that previous injustice and bring us to an equal medium.  It is NOT there to make white people (or people of another race) slaves, or, in your words, to reverse discriminate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, wow.  How naive you are.  You think race has nothing to do with anything, don&#8217;t you.  I agree with you, in part, that there generally shouldn&#8217;t be race based discrimination.  However, anti-discrimation is NOT the same thing.  And, you are blissful to think that minority students don&#8217;t encounter more barriers that come between their life and academia thus making it just as challenging for you to get into Berkeley.  While many students of all ethnicities encounter these barriers, the majority of them are minorities.  This IS a result of previous racial injustice.  Previous racial discrimination.  Thus, anti-discrimination is an attempt to work against the social stratification that resulted from that previous injustice and bring us to an equal medium.  It is NOT there to make white people (or people of another race) slaves, or, in your words, to reverse discriminate.</p>
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		<title>By: HB</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator>HB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow 

how disrespectful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow </p>
<p>how disrespectful!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/05/31/war-on-209-stating-the-obvious/#comment-993</guid>
		<description>This is ridiculous. Perhaps California needs another law regarding racial discrimination and Prop 209. I propose that every, single employee of the UC and CSU system be required to sign a form stating that they have had Prop 209 explained to them. The form would say that "I understand that discrimination or preference based on skin color is illegal." Make them sign it in public and videotape it. Then every time one of them pulls this crap we can show them the tape. Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous. Perhaps California needs another law regarding racial discrimination and Prop 209. I propose that every, single employee of the UC and CSU system be required to sign a form stating that they have had Prop 209 explained to them. The form would say that &#8220;I understand that discrimination or preference based on skin color is illegal.&#8221; Make them sign it in public and videotape it. Then every time one of them pulls this crap we can show them the tape. Jesus.</p>
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