Comments on: Open Forum: Prop 73 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/ news and views from uc berkeley Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:55:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Mary http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2374 Mary Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:43:07 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2374 I'm voting yes on Prop 73 for several reasons - one of which has not yet been mentioned, and that is statutory rape. The theory runs that parental notification will help bring these crimes to the attention of the law and put sexual predators behind bars. I'm all for that. The proposition does not deal with consent, but notification and if a girl requests a waiver from a judge, her case is heard and decided within three business days - not a long delay. I think the answer to the question originally posed ("Looking out for teen safety or anti-abortion trojan horse?")is teen safety. I’m voting yes on Prop 73 for several reasons - one of which has not yet been mentioned, and that is statutory rape. The theory runs that parental notification will help bring these crimes to the attention of the law and put sexual predators behind bars. I’m all for that.

The proposition does not deal with consent, but notification and if a girl requests a waiver from a judge, her case is heard and decided within three business days - not a long delay.

I think the answer to the question originally posed (”Looking out for teen safety or anti-abortion trojan horse?”)is teen safety.

]]> By: Michael C. Mikulis http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2352 Michael C. Mikulis Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:32:46 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2352 You didn't simply claim that it wasn't true. You didn’t simply claim that it wasn’t true.

]]> By: yuriyp http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2348 yuriyp Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:58:00 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2348 Donald, I am not saying you have to believe that what Bible says its true. It doesn't matter what religious texts or stories these are. Just because the other side cannot provide evidence that would match your criteria for truth doesn't make it untrue. So, the acceptable thing of you to say would be that you don't know if its true or not, so you choose not let it guide your life. Donald, I am not saying you have to believe that what Bible says its true. It doesn’t matter what religious texts or stories these are. Just because the other side cannot provide evidence that would match your criteria for truth doesn’t make it untrue. So, the acceptable thing of you to say would be that you don’t know if its true or not, so you choose not let it guide your life.

]]> By: Donald http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2341 Donald Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:29:14 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2341 And regardless, that's not where the burden of proof lies, but you already knew that. And regardless, that’s not where the burden of proof lies, but you already knew that.

]]> By: Donald http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2339 Donald Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:18:31 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2339 Since when is it an insult to claim that something isn't true? Since when is it an insult to claim that something isn’t true?

]]> By: Michael C. Mikulis http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2333 Michael C. Mikulis Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:21:37 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2333 The burden of proof should lie on the person throwing around insults. The burden of proof should lie on the person throwing around insults.

]]> By: Donald http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2330 Donald Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:50:39 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2005/10/25/open-forum-prop-73/#comment-2330 "calling the history from religious texts “myths” and the texts “fictional” is very irrational of you Donald." Please explain to me how it is irrational to think that the burden on proof lies with those who suggest that miracles written on parchment 2500 years ago are to be believed as fact. Is it irrational to think that Zeus didn't walk the Earth? Or is it irrational to think that Mithra wasn't born of a virgin, walked on water, or was crucified? What is irrational is accepting for fact something that has no evidence to support it, or, in many instances, a lot of evidence to not support it. If it makes you feel better, I could say the following... "their almost exclusively fictional texts" Since, it is true enough that real historical figures pop up every so often (King Josiah being the first person in the Bible that was an actual person, for example). “calling the history from religious texts “myths” and the texts “fictional” is very irrational of you Donald.”

Please explain to me how it is irrational to think that the burden on proof lies with those who suggest that miracles written on parchment 2500 years ago are to be believed as fact.

Is it irrational to think that Zeus didn’t walk the Earth? Or is it irrational to think that Mithra wasn’t born of a virgin, walked on water, or was crucified? What is irrational is accepting for fact something that has no evidence to support it, or, in many instances, a lot of evidence to not support it.

If it makes you feel better, I could say the following…

“their almost exclusively fictional texts”

Since, it is true enough that real historical figures pop up every so often (King Josiah being the first person in the Bible that was an actual person, for example).

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