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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2006/04/23/weird-political-science/#comment-6075</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Great American Boycott [of] 2006 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

 I've seen signs posted on dorms and other Buildings around Berkeley for the immigrant staff to take this day-off ( of non-immigrant staff too, just if you look like a non-white person – it appears a freebee).  This boycott will possibly cost million in not multi-millions if they do shut down the street traffic for business in the big cities. 

Does Berkeley actually hire illegals? – I guess it is &lt;i&gt;Illegaldarity Day&lt;/i&gt;. Everyone is an immigrant in reality so I’m calling for everyone to take the day-off – have fun. :)

&lt;a href="http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060427/2006-04-27T205226Z_01_N26224260_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-USA-IMMIGRATION-DC.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;We're going to close down Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Tucson, Phoenix, Fresno" &lt;/a&gt;


&lt;a href="http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_117193118.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;State Senate Supports Immigrant Walkout On Monday&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;i&gt;Sen. Tom McClintock, R-Thousand Oaks, while citing immigrants' contributions, said the nation's goal should be assimilation: "From many people, one people, the American people. One race, the American race." &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>Great American Boycott [of] 2006 </i></b></p>
<p> I&#8217;ve seen signs posted on dorms and other Buildings around Berkeley for the immigrant staff to take this day-off ( of non-immigrant staff too, just if you look like a non-white person – it appears a freebee).  This boycott will possibly cost million in not multi-millions if they do shut down the street traffic for business in the big cities. </p>
<p>Does Berkeley actually hire illegals? – I guess it is <i>Illegaldarity Day</i>. Everyone is an immigrant in reality so I’m calling for everyone to take the day-off – have fun. <img src='http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060427/2006-04-27T205226Z_01_N26224260_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-USA-IMMIGRATION-DC.html" rel="nofollow">We&#8217;re going to close down Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Tucson, Phoenix, Fresno&#8221; </a></p>
<p><a href="http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_117193118.html" rel="nofollow">State Senate Supports Immigrant Walkout On Monday</a></p>
<p><i>Sen. Tom McClintock, R-Thousand Oaks, while citing immigrants&#8217; contributions, said the nation&#8217;s goal should be assimilation: &#8220;From many people, one people, the American people. One race, the American race.&#8221; </i></p>
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		<title>By: Damon Z</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2006/04/23/weird-political-science/#comment-6036</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Apres moi le deluge", that's the quote serial killer Andrew Cunana put on his yearbook ;)
Archangel- I did not express myself correctly. New York was terrible in the 1980s and Rudy Giuliani did a great job of turning the city around. Moreover, he would know a thing or two about dealing with immigration.</description>
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Archangel- I did not express myself correctly. New York was terrible in the 1980s and Rudy Giuliani did a great job of turning the city around. Moreover, he would know a thing or two about dealing with immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2006/04/23/weird-political-science/#comment-6003</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>List some of the “ill affects” of free immigration and we can go from there. 

Comment by patr — 4/25/2006 


&lt;b&gt;Immigrants&lt;/b&gt;:

First-off lets look at it from the anti-immigration view. Most see this as a future problem and not current problem. What they understand are these many historical fields that have been documented, been written and been recorded that show these social phenomenon. They all agree that immigration in part led to the down-fall of most of these great civilizations, including, but not limited too, Indian, Islamic, Egyptian, Roman and Greek and others. What there dispute is over is to the severity of the magnitude of the significance and not the general notion.  All of them believe immigration had a real significance in history. 

What does this tell us? 
Lets look at it from a microcosm, i.e. one county. Lets see what the issues of anti-immigration in 2006 entail. 

To  start-off, we will use the region known as the  Los Angeles Country with its immigration Laws and Regulations? (This is economic in issue at its base) General Concerns: we have potholes, old sewers and a crumbling infrastructure, but we cannot pay to fix it without money and it is a factor of policy that we pay a lot of money to something that we could have fixed a long time ago. This may not be a huge problem now, but 15 years down the line or 30 and the anti-immigration proponents are looking at a major significance here. 

&lt;b&gt;Particulars to what is happening recently and continuing till today&lt;/b&gt;: 

You cannot turn an immigrant away from basic services in California, and for most part any state of this Union. It is a law. 

All County hospitals accept anyone without documentation (they are overfilled with  non-paying patrons which is not against the law – the county doesn’t through people into jail for not paying) Many hospitals had to shut down do to no money to pay for these services. Overcrowdings, does not negate the posted laws at the facilities and the strictly observed laws in Los Angeles country in which for decades (and other parts across this country) costs multi-multi-billions of dollars according to various studies over the decades (in California alone – so many studies have varied one does not know which one is correct). 

Why not stop them? It is the people that do not want to be mean. America is a carrying place and most people will put up with the extra money rather than see civil war in the streets.  The state and federal gov. chooses ( chose) to do nothing all those decades in regards to immigration reform. Bush has decided not to kick them out for this reason alone, although he didn’t make this pubic – it is a given understanding of what is social unrest. We see it in the news daily: the shutdown for protests in meat factories by some immigrants or relatives to immigrants in solidarity. This is a dialectical phenomenon. 


Public Services cont…
Many welfare recipients were/are immigrants as well; they have over 5 children which equals a lot of money (per month) compared to just a few kids on welfare. All one needs to have is a social security number that one can purchase illegally for $20-$250 dollars on many streets of LA Country. They sell them at laundry mats, they sell them in downtown and they sell them in the park. Hardly any police are out in force to stop this (no money either as it goes to other services). One report shows that one officer was appointed to region for this problem of a population of 250,000 people. You cannot do crap with that. This means this loop-hole in the system is widely exploited. The government has a huge annual fund of money coming into SS to which is free money for them to play with and not accountable in records, as these are not US citizens but fake accounts. This doesn’t give an excuse for the illegality of it all. Therefore, The welfare offices and other offices that take SS ids are packed day in and day out. 

&lt;b&gt;Creating unnecessary Bureaucracy&lt;/b&gt;:


There are so many grass cutters and servants in Los Angles Country  and  many go to jail because they cannot find work and turn to crime.  Therefore, many who do not decide to go the criminal rout, then all group around the city in mass herds. They create trash, they create bureaucracy to house them in jail and hardly any are sent home unless convinced of a serious felony. If they are sent home it costs the U.S. thousands of dollars in escorts and paper-work and judges.


Los Angeles county welfare financial costs per month exceed roughly a $150-230 million dollars per month, including paying these many workers to keep up with the overload of people. This doesn’t include the hospital costs that are much higher in dollar amount and that have continuously closed due to expenditure problems. The ones that remain open because they could pay overtime to the staff and doctors administering to the flood of immigrants - were going bankrupt because of the millions-to-  billions of dollars it takes to run these facilities. 

There is no shortage of workers. This is a myth created by politicians and activists. And what is wrong with people getting off their F*&#38;k ass and cutting the grass themselves? Nothing!  What does this really tell us about the American citizen? Clinton has an immigrant chauffeur because he didn’t want to pay top-dollar for a established citizen, but he has homes in Ireland, and New York and apartments in DC and other places. He is a greedy slob. He even as admitted that he acts sometimes ( after his presidency) as a rich republican. He became very wealthy after his presidency through book deals and job offers. There are examples of Republicans as well and I see examples all over America of this mindset. It seems to be the mindset of the ancients as well. ‘The more things change the more they stay the same.’  

&lt;b&gt;The failure of diversity&lt;/b&gt;. 

Many regions in SoCal are not recognizable anymore: the street signs, the shops, the laws on the buildings are all not in English, and racism sprouts fierce from these ethnics centers. There is no American cohesion or community as we should expect. It’s a balkanization at its highest form and never was the plan for the United States. We should be integrating and we are not. This is/was a fact. Why is that? It is because these immigrants are uneducated. What does that mean?  The founders have said that an uneducated society cannot run a republic or democracy - whatever you want to call it. This applies to now and that these immigrants are flooding into the United States and this is frightful and at an alarming rate. They are basically unskilled and uneducated. California used to rank number one in education in the world of 4th grade -12 grade in the ‘60s and ‘70s. Now it is close to the bottom rank in the world. This is/was the wrong direction. 

&lt;b&gt;Differences in lifestyles.&lt;/b&gt;.

There are many Americans that do not want to live in 20 people-to-an-apartment and want to cut your grass for possibly $20-30 more dollars per month to pay there expenses.

But it is in part to blame of the greed in which is shown here all over the country by these gluttons, which want the cheapest things they can get. This was typical of the ancients too. What is the morality?  This is just a new economic slavery and will turn out to be frowned upon in history just as the black slave issue did;  and unless we give this land over to them (just like the ancients)  and their un-American way of life, we will be viewed just like the slave-masters. Turing a blind eye to this issue means no-one looks to the future for our children. I want them to live in an educated place with opportunities like my parents had and have a chance to live not in a third world country or bring up my children in the sewers our cities have become. That is what this country is turning into, a sewer.  

That is a microcosm of just one county and I did not even touch the other factors related to immigration. There are going to be people like you who say who cares, and these are the same attitudes of the ancients. Therefore, the patters remains as a given.  America will follow in its collapse (in part of course) to the factors that lead to other great civilization’s downfall. 

&lt;b&gt;Is there a solution?&lt;/b&gt;

Yes. But you may not like it. There is a great way to continue to allow them to flood into the United States so you could keep your cheap grass cutter as well. …Americans ( must) will advocate passing a national or statewide law to have each student or at least each American resident pay $30,000 per year for the upkeep of the flood and for the infrastructural damage as it progressively gets worn-out. We (actually they)  will also demand you give up some of your belonging to them as they demand equality too ( See slave-master example). They just do not want to work for you they want your lifestyle. And if you allow them to come in they will have it –trust me- it is only easy for us to see how the ancients followed in the same footsteps so long ago and lost everything. Some may say this is just evolution of a state. To this I might add. 

Well that is there argument, and for the most part denial is a great way to put this out of a guilty-mindset. Choices are not always easy in life, and Americans have a choice for a future of living in a first world country or to deny it and follow Louis XV’s ill decorum: &lt;b&gt;“Après moi, le deluge”&lt;/b&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>List some of the “ill affects” of free immigration and we can go from there. </p>
<p>Comment by patr — 4/25/2006 </p>
<p><b>Immigrants</b>:</p>
<p>First-off lets look at it from the anti-immigration view. Most see this as a future problem and not current problem. What they understand are these many historical fields that have been documented, been written and been recorded that show these social phenomenon. They all agree that immigration in part led to the down-fall of most of these great civilizations, including, but not limited too, Indian, Islamic, Egyptian, Roman and Greek and others. What there dispute is over is to the severity of the magnitude of the significance and not the general notion.  All of them believe immigration had a real significance in history. </p>
<p>What does this tell us?<br />
Lets look at it from a microcosm, i.e. one county. Lets see what the issues of anti-immigration in 2006 entail. </p>
<p>To  start-off, we will use the region known as the  Los Angeles Country with its immigration Laws and Regulations? (This is economic in issue at its base) General Concerns: we have potholes, old sewers and a crumbling infrastructure, but we cannot pay to fix it without money and it is a factor of policy that we pay a lot of money to something that we could have fixed a long time ago. This may not be a huge problem now, but 15 years down the line or 30 and the anti-immigration proponents are looking at a major significance here. </p>
<p><b>Particulars to what is happening recently and continuing till today</b>: </p>
<p>You cannot turn an immigrant away from basic services in California, and for most part any state of this Union. It is a law. </p>
<p>All County hospitals accept anyone without documentation (they are overfilled with  non-paying patrons which is not against the law – the county doesn’t through people into jail for not paying) Many hospitals had to shut down do to no money to pay for these services. Overcrowdings, does not negate the posted laws at the facilities and the strictly observed laws in Los Angeles country in which for decades (and other parts across this country) costs multi-multi-billions of dollars according to various studies over the decades (in California alone – so many studies have varied one does not know which one is correct). </p>
<p>Why not stop them? It is the people that do not want to be mean. America is a carrying place and most people will put up with the extra money rather than see civil war in the streets.  The state and federal gov. chooses ( chose) to do nothing all those decades in regards to immigration reform. Bush has decided not to kick them out for this reason alone, although he didn’t make this pubic – it is a given understanding of what is social unrest. We see it in the news daily: the shutdown for protests in meat factories by some immigrants or relatives to immigrants in solidarity. This is a dialectical phenomenon. </p>
<p>Public Services cont…<br />
Many welfare recipients were/are immigrants as well; they have over 5 children which equals a lot of money (per month) compared to just a few kids on welfare. All one needs to have is a social security number that one can purchase illegally for $20-$250 dollars on many streets of LA Country. They sell them at laundry mats, they sell them in downtown and they sell them in the park. Hardly any police are out in force to stop this (no money either as it goes to other services). One report shows that one officer was appointed to region for this problem of a population of 250,000 people. You cannot do crap with that. This means this loop-hole in the system is widely exploited. The government has a huge annual fund of money coming into SS to which is free money for them to play with and not accountable in records, as these are not US citizens but fake accounts. This doesn’t give an excuse for the illegality of it all. Therefore, The welfare offices and other offices that take SS ids are packed day in and day out. </p>
<p><b>Creating unnecessary Bureaucracy</b>:</p>
<p>There are so many grass cutters and servants in Los Angles Country  and  many go to jail because they cannot find work and turn to crime.  Therefore, many who do not decide to go the criminal rout, then all group around the city in mass herds. They create trash, they create bureaucracy to house them in jail and hardly any are sent home unless convinced of a serious felony. If they are sent home it costs the U.S. thousands of dollars in escorts and paper-work and judges.</p>
<p>Los Angeles county welfare financial costs per month exceed roughly a $150-230 million dollars per month, including paying these many workers to keep up with the overload of people. This doesn’t include the hospital costs that are much higher in dollar amount and that have continuously closed due to expenditure problems. The ones that remain open because they could pay overtime to the staff and doctors administering to the flood of immigrants - were going bankrupt because of the millions-to-  billions of dollars it takes to run these facilities. </p>
<p>There is no shortage of workers. This is a myth created by politicians and activists. And what is wrong with people getting off their F*&amp;k ass and cutting the grass themselves? Nothing!  What does this really tell us about the American citizen? Clinton has an immigrant chauffeur because he didn’t want to pay top-dollar for a established citizen, but he has homes in Ireland, and New York and apartments in DC and other places. He is a greedy slob. He even as admitted that he acts sometimes ( after his presidency) as a rich republican. He became very wealthy after his presidency through book deals and job offers. There are examples of Republicans as well and I see examples all over America of this mindset. It seems to be the mindset of the ancients as well. ‘The more things change the more they stay the same.’  </p>
<p><b>The failure of diversity</b>. </p>
<p>Many regions in SoCal are not recognizable anymore: the street signs, the shops, the laws on the buildings are all not in English, and racism sprouts fierce from these ethnics centers. There is no American cohesion or community as we should expect. It’s a balkanization at its highest form and never was the plan for the United States. We should be integrating and we are not. This is/was a fact. Why is that? It is because these immigrants are uneducated. What does that mean?  The founders have said that an uneducated society cannot run a republic or democracy - whatever you want to call it. This applies to now and that these immigrants are flooding into the United States and this is frightful and at an alarming rate. They are basically unskilled and uneducated. California used to rank number one in education in the world of 4th grade -12 grade in the ‘60s and ‘70s. Now it is close to the bottom rank in the world. This is/was the wrong direction. </p>
<p><b>Differences in lifestyles.</b>.</p>
<p>There are many Americans that do not want to live in 20 people-to-an-apartment and want to cut your grass for possibly $20-30 more dollars per month to pay there expenses.</p>
<p>But it is in part to blame of the greed in which is shown here all over the country by these gluttons, which want the cheapest things they can get. This was typical of the ancients too. What is the morality?  This is just a new economic slavery and will turn out to be frowned upon in history just as the black slave issue did;  and unless we give this land over to them (just like the ancients)  and their un-American way of life, we will be viewed just like the slave-masters. Turing a blind eye to this issue means no-one looks to the future for our children. I want them to live in an educated place with opportunities like my parents had and have a chance to live not in a third world country or bring up my children in the sewers our cities have become. That is what this country is turning into, a sewer.  </p>
<p>That is a microcosm of just one county and I did not even touch the other factors related to immigration. There are going to be people like you who say who cares, and these are the same attitudes of the ancients. Therefore, the patters remains as a given.  America will follow in its collapse (in part of course) to the factors that lead to other great civilization’s downfall. </p>
<p><b>Is there a solution?</b></p>
<p>Yes. But you may not like it. There is a great way to continue to allow them to flood into the United States so you could keep your cheap grass cutter as well. …Americans ( must) will advocate passing a national or statewide law to have each student or at least each American resident pay $30,000 per year for the upkeep of the flood and for the infrastructural damage as it progressively gets worn-out. We (actually they)  will also demand you give up some of your belonging to them as they demand equality too ( See slave-master example). They just do not want to work for you they want your lifestyle. And if you allow them to come in they will have it –trust me- it is only easy for us to see how the ancients followed in the same footsteps so long ago and lost everything. Some may say this is just evolution of a state. To this I might add. </p>
<p>Well that is there argument, and for the most part denial is a great way to put this out of a guilty-mindset. Choices are not always easy in life, and Americans have a choice for a future of living in a first world country or to deny it and follow Louis XV’s ill decorum: <b>“Après moi, le deluge”</b>!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the hurried bad writing but I have other stuff to do. If anything is not clear please ask.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Immigrants:

First-off lets look at it from the anti-immigration view. Most see this as a future problem and not current problem. What they understand is these many historical fields that have documented, written and recorded this social phenomenon. They all agree that immigration in part led to the fall of most great civilizations, including Indian, Islamic, Egyptian, Roman and Greek and others. What there dispute is over is the severity of the significance not the general notion.  All believe immigration it had a real significance. 

Now , here is there period argument. Lets look at it from a microcosm, i.e. one county. 

What to start-off with Los Angeles Country Laws and Regulations? ( This is economic in issue – we have potholes, old sewers and a crumbling infrastructure, but we cannot do crap about it because we pay a lot of money to something that we could have fixed a long time ago. This may not be a huge problem now, but 15 years down the line or 30 and we are looking at a major significance. 

Particulars: 

You cannot turn an immigrant away from basic services in California, and for most part any state of this Union. It is a law. 

All County hospitals accept anyone without documentation (they are overfilled in the county and many had to shut down do to no money to pay for the services) , it is a posted law at the facilities and strictly observed law in Los Angeles country for decades (and other parts across this country), and costs multi-multi-billions according to various studies over the decades (in California alone – so many studies vary you do not know which one is correct). Why not stop them? America is a carrying place and most people will put up with the extra money rather than see civil war in the streets because the state and federal gov. chooses ( chose) to do nothing all those decades. Bush has decided not to kick them out for this reason alone, although he didn’t make this pubic – it is a given understanding of what is social unrest.  Many welfare recipients were/are immigrants as well; they have over 5 children which equals a lot of money (per month) compared to just a few kids on welfare. All one needs to have is a social security number that one can by for $20-$250 dollars on many streets of LA Country. They sell them at laundry mats, they sell them in downtown and they sell them in the park. Hardly any police are out in force to stop this (no money it goes to other services). One report is that one officer was appointed to region of 250,000 people. You cannot do crap with that. 

 The welfare offices are packed day in and day out. There are so many grass cutters and servants in Los Angles Country many go to jail because they cannot work and many who do not decide to go the criminal rout group all over the city in mass herds. They create trash, the create bureaucracy to house them in jail and hardly any are sent home unless convinced of a serious felony. If they are sent home it costs thousands of dollars in escorts and paper-work and judges. 

Los Angeles county welfare financial costs per month exceeds roughly a $150-230 million dollars per month ,  including paying the many workers to keep up with the overload of people. This doesn’t include the hospital costs that are much higher in dollar amounts and that have closed and the ones that remain open because they could pay overtime to the staff and doctors administering to the flood of immigrants - were talking billions of dollars too. There is no shortage of workers. And what is wrong with people getting off their F*&#38;k ass and cutting the grass themselves? Nothing!  Clinton has an immigrant chauffeur because he didn’t want to pay top-dollar but he has homes in Ireland, and New York and apartments in DC and other places. He is greedy slob. There are examples of Republicans as well and I see examples all over America of this mindset. It seems to be the mindset of the ancients as well. ‘The more things change the more they stay the same’.  

Many regions in SoCal are not recognizable anymore, the street signs, the shops, the laws on the buildings are all not in English, and racism sprouts fierce from these ethnics centers. There is no American cohesion or community. It’s a balkanization at its highest form – never the plan of the United States. We should be integrating and we are not. This is a fact. Why is that? It is because these immigrants are uneducated and the founders have said that an uneducated society cannot run a republic or democracy - whatever you want to call it. This applies to now and that these immigrants are flooding into the United States is frightful and at an alarming rate and are basically unskilled and uneducated. California used to rant number one in education in the world of 4th grade -12 grade in the ‘60s and ‘70s. Now it is close to the bottom in the world. 

There are many Americans that do not live in 20 people-to-an-apartment and want to cut your grass for possibly $20-30 more dollars per month than what the immigrants will charge. But it is in partly to blame of the greed in which is shown here all over the country by these gluttons, which want the cheapest things they can get. This was typical of the ancients too.  That is just new economic slavery and will turn out to be frowned upon in history as the black slave issue unless we give this land over to them (just like the ancients)  and their un-American way of life. This means no-one looks to the future for our children. I want them to live in an educated place with opportunities like my parents had and have a chance to live not in a third world country or bring up my children in the sewers our cities have become. That is what this country is turning into and Europe is rising from it slowly but surely. Maybe we will move there. 

That is a microcosm of one city and I did not even touch the other factors as I have not too much time tonight. There are going to be people like you who say who cares, and these are the same attitudes of the ancients. Therefore, America will follow in its collapse (in part of course) to the other factors that lead to a great civilization’s downfall. 

There is a great way to keep them and you could keep your cheap grass cutter as well. …Will advocate passing a national or statewide law to have each student or at least each American resident pay $30,000 per year for the upkeep of the flood and for the infrastructural damage as it progressively gets worn-out. We will also demand you give up some of your belonging to them as they demand equality too. They just do not want to work for you they want your lifestyle. And if you allow them they will have it –trust me- it is only easy to see how the ancients followed in the same footsteps so long ago. 

Well that is there argument, and for the most part denial is a great way to put this out of a guilty-mindset. Choices are not always easy in life, and American have a choice for a  future or deny and follow Louis XV’s ill decorum: “Après moi, le deluge”!

Bush chose Louis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immigrants:</p>
<p>First-off lets look at it from the anti-immigration view. Most see this as a future problem and not current problem. What they understand is these many historical fields that have documented, written and recorded this social phenomenon. They all agree that immigration in part led to the fall of most great civilizations, including Indian, Islamic, Egyptian, Roman and Greek and others. What there dispute is over is the severity of the significance not the general notion.  All believe immigration it had a real significance. </p>
<p>Now , here is there period argument. Lets look at it from a microcosm, i.e. one county. </p>
<p>What to start-off with Los Angeles Country Laws and Regulations? ( This is economic in issue – we have potholes, old sewers and a crumbling infrastructure, but we cannot do crap about it because we pay a lot of money to something that we could have fixed a long time ago. This may not be a huge problem now, but 15 years down the line or 30 and we are looking at a major significance. </p>
<p>Particulars: </p>
<p>You cannot turn an immigrant away from basic services in California, and for most part any state of this Union. It is a law. </p>
<p>All County hospitals accept anyone without documentation (they are overfilled in the county and many had to shut down do to no money to pay for the services) , it is a posted law at the facilities and strictly observed law in Los Angeles country for decades (and other parts across this country), and costs multi-multi-billions according to various studies over the decades (in California alone – so many studies vary you do not know which one is correct). Why not stop them? America is a carrying place and most people will put up with the extra money rather than see civil war in the streets because the state and federal gov. chooses ( chose) to do nothing all those decades. Bush has decided not to kick them out for this reason alone, although he didn’t make this pubic – it is a given understanding of what is social unrest.  Many welfare recipients were/are immigrants as well; they have over 5 children which equals a lot of money (per month) compared to just a few kids on welfare. All one needs to have is a social security number that one can by for $20-$250 dollars on many streets of LA Country. They sell them at laundry mats, they sell them in downtown and they sell them in the park. Hardly any police are out in force to stop this (no money it goes to other services). One report is that one officer was appointed to region of 250,000 people. You cannot do crap with that. </p>
<p> The welfare offices are packed day in and day out. There are so many grass cutters and servants in Los Angles Country many go to jail because they cannot work and many who do not decide to go the criminal rout group all over the city in mass herds. They create trash, the create bureaucracy to house them in jail and hardly any are sent home unless convinced of a serious felony. If they are sent home it costs thousands of dollars in escorts and paper-work and judges. </p>
<p>Los Angeles county welfare financial costs per month exceeds roughly a $150-230 million dollars per month ,  including paying the many workers to keep up with the overload of people. This doesn’t include the hospital costs that are much higher in dollar amounts and that have closed and the ones that remain open because they could pay overtime to the staff and doctors administering to the flood of immigrants - were talking billions of dollars too. There is no shortage of workers. And what is wrong with people getting off their F*&amp;k ass and cutting the grass themselves? Nothing!  Clinton has an immigrant chauffeur because he didn’t want to pay top-dollar but he has homes in Ireland, and New York and apartments in DC and other places. He is greedy slob. There are examples of Republicans as well and I see examples all over America of this mindset. It seems to be the mindset of the ancients as well. ‘The more things change the more they stay the same’.  </p>
<p>Many regions in SoCal are not recognizable anymore, the street signs, the shops, the laws on the buildings are all not in English, and racism sprouts fierce from these ethnics centers. There is no American cohesion or community. It’s a balkanization at its highest form – never the plan of the United States. We should be integrating and we are not. This is a fact. Why is that? It is because these immigrants are uneducated and the founders have said that an uneducated society cannot run a republic or democracy - whatever you want to call it. This applies to now and that these immigrants are flooding into the United States is frightful and at an alarming rate and are basically unskilled and uneducated. California used to rant number one in education in the world of 4th grade -12 grade in the ‘60s and ‘70s. Now it is close to the bottom in the world. </p>
<p>There are many Americans that do not live in 20 people-to-an-apartment and want to cut your grass for possibly $20-30 more dollars per month than what the immigrants will charge. But it is in partly to blame of the greed in which is shown here all over the country by these gluttons, which want the cheapest things they can get. This was typical of the ancients too.  That is just new economic slavery and will turn out to be frowned upon in history as the black slave issue unless we give this land over to them (just like the ancients)  and their un-American way of life. This means no-one looks to the future for our children. I want them to live in an educated place with opportunities like my parents had and have a chance to live not in a third world country or bring up my children in the sewers our cities have become. That is what this country is turning into and Europe is rising from it slowly but surely. Maybe we will move there. </p>
<p>That is a microcosm of one city and I did not even touch the other factors as I have not too much time tonight. There are going to be people like you who say who cares, and these are the same attitudes of the ancients. Therefore, America will follow in its collapse (in part of course) to the other factors that lead to a great civilization’s downfall. </p>
<p>There is a great way to keep them and you could keep your cheap grass cutter as well. …Will advocate passing a national or statewide law to have each student or at least each American resident pay $30,000 per year for the upkeep of the flood and for the infrastructural damage as it progressively gets worn-out. We will also demand you give up some of your belonging to them as they demand equality too. They just do not want to work for you they want your lifestyle. And if you allow them they will have it –trust me- it is only easy to see how the ancients followed in the same footsteps so long ago. </p>
<p>Well that is there argument, and for the most part denial is a great way to put this out of a guilty-mindset. Choices are not always easy in life, and American have a choice for a  future or deny and follow Louis XV’s ill decorum: “Après moi, le deluge”!</p>
<p>Bush chose Louis!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in a perfect world, government doesn't provide anything to anyone (except maybe a military and a few other things like that). 

List some of the "ill affects" of free immigration and we can go from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in a perfect world, government doesn&#8217;t provide anything to anyone (except maybe a military and a few other things like that). </p>
<p>List some of the &#8220;ill affects&#8221; of free immigration and we can go from there.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There’s no obligation to provide anything to immigrants "

Are you saying we do not provide anything for free to the immigrants? ...They have no ill affect on American way of life? Have you not learned? Do you not see? Please tell me you are not this naive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s no obligation to provide anything to immigrants &#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying we do not provide anything for free to the immigrants? &#8230;They have no ill affect on American way of life? Have you not learned? Do you not see? Please tell me you are not this naive?</p>
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