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	<title>Comments on: ASUC Candidates&#8217; Meeting</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/03/20/asuc-candidates-meeting/#comment-19638</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your article December 2006 One Nation Under Freedom, The dissimilar goals of republicans and religion and thought I would comment.

Much of toady's views on freedom and religion stem from not understanding the foundations of freedom.

The Magna Carta 1215 was one of the earliest declarations that established what freedom is. It established rights and liberties of the Church and of all free men within the realm apart and above the powers of the government or royalty.

Further, it established God given rights of God's church which was to be free and all free men, apart from government established church and it's royalty. This is is an important distinction.

These rights have not been diminished and are in full effect today as the Constitution has not removed them, but in fact acknowledges them as still in effect.

This is hard for those that think they derive rights from the Constitution or Bill of Rights, which is incorrect. The Constitution's Bill of Rights simply restricts the federal government from touching those rights and maintains all rights not delegated to the federal government are retained by the people. So nothing has been lost as all earlier rights were "reserved".

Patrick Herery (constitutional Debates - see link below):

"A bill of rights may be summed up in a few words. What do they tell us? That our rights are reserved. Why not say so? Is it because it will consume too much paper? Gentlemen's reasoning against a "bill of rights" does not satisfy me."

The Constitutional Debates define these intents of the founders further and mention the Magna Carta. The Rights of the Colonists 1772 is a clear distinction of the Rights as Men and Rights of the Colonies as Christians; These rights are only also extended to other religions when they are not
subversive under the societies in which they live:

Rights of the Colonists - Samuel Adams, 1772:

"In regard to Religeon, mutual tolleration in the different professions thereof, is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practiced; and both by precept and example inculcated on mankind: And it is now generally agreed among christians that this spirit of toleration in the fullest extent consistent with the being of civil society "is the chief characteristical mark of the true church"1 &#38; In so much that Mr. Lock has asserted, and proved beyond the possibility of contradiction on any solid ground, that such toleration ought to be extended to all whose doctrines are not subversive of society. The only Sects which he thinks ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded from such toleration, are those who teach Doctrines subversive of the Civil Government under which they live. The Roman Catholicks or Papists are excluded by reason of such Doctrines as these "that Princes excommunicated may be deposed, and those they call Hereticks may be destroyed without mercy; besides their recognizing the Pope in so absolute a manner, in subversion of Government, by introducing as far as possible into the states, under whose protection they enjoy life, liberty and property, that solecism in politicks, Imperium in imperio2 leading directly to the worst anarchy and confusion, civil discord, war and blood shed-- .."

This can also apply to such sects of the Muslim extremism today that have the same views that Catholic and Papists at that time held and were omitted from having such acceptance.

To view more of the chain of history regarding inalienable rights I would invite you to review these pages at the American Patriot Party (.CC).

Foundations of Inalienable Rights: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/Foundation_of_Rights/foundation_of_rights.html

APP Study of the Constitutional Debate, MONDAY, June 16, 1788.[1] [Elliot misprinted this as Monday, June 14, 1788.] which was sent out as our news letter, The Division of Power:  http://www.pacificwestcom.com/americanpatriotpartynewsletter/

Rights of the Colonists, 1772: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/Rights_of_the_Colonists/rights_of_the_colonists.html

Links to the Magna Carta and others can be found on our national web site: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc

I hope you find this informative.

Sincerely,

Richard Taylor
Chair
American Patriot Party
Oregon Patriot Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your article December 2006 One Nation Under Freedom, The dissimilar goals of republicans and religion and thought I would comment.</p>
<p>Much of toady&#8217;s views on freedom and religion stem from not understanding the foundations of freedom.</p>
<p>The Magna Carta 1215 was one of the earliest declarations that established what freedom is. It established rights and liberties of the Church and of all free men within the realm apart and above the powers of the government or royalty.</p>
<p>Further, it established God given rights of God&#8217;s church which was to be free and all free men, apart from government established church and it&#8217;s royalty. This is is an important distinction.</p>
<p>These rights have not been diminished and are in full effect today as the Constitution has not removed them, but in fact acknowledges them as still in effect.</p>
<p>This is hard for those that think they derive rights from the Constitution or Bill of Rights, which is incorrect. The Constitution&#8217;s Bill of Rights simply restricts the federal government from touching those rights and maintains all rights not delegated to the federal government are retained by the people. So nothing has been lost as all earlier rights were &#8220;reserved&#8221;.</p>
<p>Patrick Herery (constitutional Debates - see link below):</p>
<p>&#8220;A bill of rights may be summed up in a few words. What do they tell us? That our rights are reserved. Why not say so? Is it because it will consume too much paper? Gentlemen&#8217;s reasoning against a &#8220;bill of rights&#8221; does not satisfy me.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Constitutional Debates define these intents of the founders further and mention the Magna Carta. The Rights of the Colonists 1772 is a clear distinction of the Rights as Men and Rights of the Colonies as Christians; These rights are only also extended to other religions when they are not<br />
subversive under the societies in which they live:</p>
<p>Rights of the Colonists - Samuel Adams, 1772:</p>
<p>&#8220;In regard to Religeon, mutual tolleration in the different professions thereof, is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practiced; and both by precept and example inculcated on mankind: And it is now generally agreed among christians that this spirit of toleration in the fullest extent consistent with the being of civil society &#8220;is the chief characteristical mark of the true church&#8221;1 &amp; In so much that Mr. Lock has asserted, and proved beyond the possibility of contradiction on any solid ground, that such toleration ought to be extended to all whose doctrines are not subversive of society. The only Sects which he thinks ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded from such toleration, are those who teach Doctrines subversive of the Civil Government under which they live. The Roman Catholicks or Papists are excluded by reason of such Doctrines as these &#8220;that Princes excommunicated may be deposed, and those they call Hereticks may be destroyed without mercy; besides their recognizing the Pope in so absolute a manner, in subversion of Government, by introducing as far as possible into the states, under whose protection they enjoy life, liberty and property, that solecism in politicks, Imperium in imperio2 leading directly to the worst anarchy and confusion, civil discord, war and blood shed&#8211; ..&#8221;</p>
<p>This can also apply to such sects of the Muslim extremism today that have the same views that Catholic and Papists at that time held and were omitted from having such acceptance.</p>
<p>To view more of the chain of history regarding inalienable rights I would invite you to review these pages at the American Patriot Party (.CC).</p>
<p>Foundations of Inalienable Rights: <a href="http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/Foundation_of_Rights/foundation_of_rights.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/Foundation_of_Rights/foundation_of_rights.html</a></p>
<p>APP Study of the Constitutional Debate, MONDAY, June 16, 1788.[1] [Elliot misprinted this as Monday, June 14, 1788.] which was sent out as our news letter, The Division of Power:  <a href="http://www.pacificwestcom.com/americanpatriotpartynewsletter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pacificwestcom.com/americanpatriotpartynewsletter/</a></p>
<p>Rights of the Colonists, 1772: <a href="http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/Rights_of_the_Colonists/rights_of_the_colonists.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/Rights_of_the_Colonists/rights_of_the_colonists.html</a></p>
<p>Links to the Magna Carta and others can be found on our national web site: <a href="http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc</a></p>
<p>I hope you find this informative.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Richard Taylor<br />
Chair<br />
American Patriot Party<br />
Oregon Patriot Party</p>
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