Comments on: We are from Berkeley, but not that Berkeley http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/ news and views from uc berkeley Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:56:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: auto insurance companies in nj http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22369 auto insurance companies in nj Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:39:38 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22369 <strong>auto insurance companies in nj...</strong> auto insurance companies in nj... auto insurance companies in nj…

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]]> By: The Bears Are Roaring: Blog Roundup at Bears Necessity http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22111 The Bears Are Roaring: Blog Roundup at Bears Necessity Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:20:03 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22111 [...] california patriot blog » We are from Berkeley, but not that Berkeley Pretty sure we don’t qualify for this. We’re safe! If we were part of campus! But we aren’t! Wooo! [...] […] california patriot blog » We are from Berkeley, but not that Berkeley Pretty sure we don’t qualify for this. We’re safe! If we were part of campus! But we aren’t! Wooo! […]

]]> By: Avinash http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22108 Avinash Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:44 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22108 If you can't work within the system, do your best to circumvent it. The old ways are changing. Advertise on Facebook, get sponsorship from local businesses, start working on new marketing techniques. Don't think of it as an obstacle, think of it as a challenge. This will prepare you for how the real world works, so embrace it and go with it. Well, either that, or just use a new name. How about the Stanford Republicans? Has a nice ring. If you can’t work within the system, do your best to circumvent it. The old ways are changing. Advertise on Facebook, get sponsorship from local businesses, start working on new marketing techniques. Don’t think of it as an obstacle, think of it as a challenge. This will prepare you for how the real world works, so embrace it and go with it.

Well, either that, or just use a new name. How about the Stanford Republicans? Has a nice ring.

]]> By: Beetle http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22072 Beetle Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:56:20 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22072 Taking it to the public actually does make the university change. They have a PR priority. But that would only work if we had a newspaper that could create controversy through hard-hitting pieces. Unfortunately, we have the <i>Daily Cal</i>, which hasn't said anything bad about anyone in years. (Hey, look, <a href="http://www.dailycal.org/sharticle.php?id=25518" rel="nofollow">octopus kites</a>!) Groups won't get banned, they simply won't get recognized, which means no ASUC funding and no "right" to use classrooms and table on Sproul. This may be weakly enforced, which means the functioning of groups would end up being left to the discretion of university administrators. They can simply kill off unpopular groups without any real risk. Taking it to the public actually does make the university change. They have a PR priority. But that would only work if we had a newspaper that could create controversy through hard-hitting pieces. Unfortunately, we have the Daily Cal, which hasn’t said anything bad about anyone in years. (Hey, look, octopus kites!)

Groups won’t get banned, they simply won’t get recognized, which means no ASUC funding and no “right” to use classrooms and table on Sproul. This may be weakly enforced, which means the functioning of groups would end up being left to the discretion of university administrators. They can simply kill off unpopular groups without any real risk.

]]> By: megans http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22071 megans Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:57:50 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22071 I'd tell new groups to use the name anyway. The worst that can happen is getting the group banned, and insert the "any publicity is good publicity" mantra here. Taking a university action like that to the public does nothing to make the university change, but will hopefully make it look silly, which is really all we have the power to do anyway. I think it reflects poorly on the school to not want credit/responsibility for what its student groups do. After all, it's not students versus everyone else, we are supposed to be a "university community", and that contradiction kinda makes them look silly too. I’d tell new groups to use the name anyway. The worst that can happen is getting the group banned, and insert the “any publicity is good publicity” mantra here. Taking a university action like that to the public does nothing to make the university change, but will hopefully make it look silly, which is really all we have the power to do anyway.

I think it reflects poorly on the school to not want credit/responsibility for what its student groups do. After all, it’s not students versus everyone else, we are supposed to be a “university community”, and that contradiction kinda makes them look silly too.

]]> By: Beetle http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22064 Beetle Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:32:20 +0000 http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2007/07/31/we-are-from-berkeley-but-not-that-berkeley/#comment-22064 I don't really explain how to effectively fight this, nor do I attempt to. I just wanted to point out that there is a real distinction between those who want to complain about stuff (me) and those who want to change stuff, and it's a distinction many in the former group like to deny. Whining is absolutely allowed, it just isn't part of the solution. It's like those who go to Washington D.C. to be paragons of morality, because that's how it should work. Except it doesn't work that way. And if you want it to work that way, you aren't going to accomplish it by pretending that it works that way. You have to actually change it, through deals, or bullying, or whatever, and doing so may very well not reflect whatever ideals you might be seeking. It's simply not effective to want things to change but not actually taking action to change them (instead just pretending that the change has already occurred). You can do that as a <i>statement</i> (and I've done it numerous times), but if you're interested in seeing real change, you actually have to change things. I don’t really explain how to effectively fight this, nor do I attempt to. I just wanted to point out that there is a real distinction between those who want to complain about stuff (me) and those who want to change stuff, and it’s a distinction many in the former group like to deny. Whining is absolutely allowed, it just isn’t part of the solution.

It’s like those who go to Washington D.C. to be paragons of morality, because that’s how it should work. Except it doesn’t work that way. And if you want it to work that way, you aren’t going to accomplish it by pretending that it works that way. You have to actually change it, through deals, or bullying, or whatever, and doing so may very well not reflect whatever ideals you might be seeking.

It’s simply not effective to want things to change but not actually taking action to change them (instead just pretending that the change has already occurred). You can do that as a statement (and I’ve done it numerous times), but if you’re interested in seeing real change, you actually have to change things.

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