Monday, October 22nd 2007
Nonie Darwish speaks at Cal
Some preliminary links to keep you entertained while we wait for Nonie. Gateway Pundit detailing the events slated for tonight; with the exception of the event at Pepperdine, which is cancelled due to fires.
7:11 event begins with an introduction from BCR President Ross Lingenfelder. “The purpose of Islamo-Fascism awareness week is to bring attention to our common enemy, radical Islam”
Nonie, as you are aware, is the daughter of the general who invaded Israel in the 60’s, and was brought up in a Jihadist family. Her speech is sponsored by David Horowitz.
7:14 Ms, Darwish takes the stage to jeers of “Fascist; you are nothing but a tool of the United states”. Shouter is rebuked and removed.
Ms Darwish: “As an American, I cherish the freedom of speech”. What a fitting start. “This is not a discussion of good, peace-loving muslims…but an ideology of violence and hatred”
7:16 the interruptions continue: “That’s a lie! Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent!” and such continue to come from the audience. Nonie: “Feminists are described as infidels, as apostates. We cannot be or become feminists in the middle east”
She was born and raised in Cairo under president Nasser, and her father was head of the Egyptian military intillegence in Gaza, involved with the Fedayeen. “I attended Gaza elementary school where we were taught hate and fear…Jews were treated as less than human. I was told not to take candy or fruit from a stranger, it could be a jew trying to poison us.” Her father was killed in 1956 when she was 8 years old, and was held as a Shahid by Nasser in a national speech.
Nonie: “I’ve had a change of heart about Israel….I used to be a product of my culture”. Mentions her site, Arabs for Israel. Nonie was asked by President Nasser: “Which one of you children will avenge your fathers death by killing Jews?”. Nonie’s mother was criticised for buying a car to drive the children to school, branded as a “loose woman”.
7:23 “I witnessed the honor killings of girls”. One of her servants had been raped and blamed for seduction by former employer, and was eventually killed by her father. According to Ms Darwish 98% of her mother’s generation had to undergo female genital mutilation.
On the cries of the muzzezin in her town calling Muslims to forsake Jews and infidels as the “enemies of god”: “If you grow up with curses in prayers like that, you get used to it. I thought it was normal”
7:27 The Wahabbi movement happened in the 1980’s in Egypt, but Ms Darwish rejected the idea that she would come to America not to assimilate.
7:28 “Arab media..always blamed others for the internal problems of the Arab world”. “None of them knew Saddam Hussein gassed his own people…Arab media never reported it”
“The term Islamo-fascism was coined by the Muslim victims of fellow Muslims in Algeria in the 1980s. Was this a big story in the Arab media? No. They have failed their own citizens”
“I was very happy to return to the US on the evening of September 10th. I woke to see the second tower fall…I knew immediately, Jihad had come to America. I was torn between my country of origin and my country now, America”
Her friends rebuked her for saying the attacks had been caused by Muslims, saying “Don’t you know these attacks are perpretrated by the Jews?”
7:32 “I am not an enemy of Islam….these extremists are the enemies of Islam”. “The Jews in our textbooks and our media…do not exist. We are fighting a Jew who doesn’t exist”
“The majority of Muslims in America are good, peace loving people. Don’t twist my words at the end by saying all muslims are bad people”
Detractor: “She wants to push the war. I’m not listening to this bull**it. The Berkeley college republicans are closet racists”
7:36 “Islamic law, or Shari’a law, intends to create a global state of gender apartheid”. “Leaving Islam is punishable by death..by stoning, or hanging, or beheading. And not one Muslim group stood up to say…the religion of peace should not hurt the people who leave it”.
“Radical Islam is a one party state” (noise from the audience; shouting, insults)
“Ms Darwish (near tears): “I left the middle east to avoid the lack of free speech, and here I am and i don’t even have it here!”
7:40 On the topic of Shari’a: it allows only men to obtain an easy divorce; having up to four wives for a man, it allows wife-beating, women have half the testimony of a man in court. “Woman is respected only when she sheilds….her identity. Half the women in Pakistani prisons are in prison for being raped”
“We wonder why the Arab world is run by dictatiors? Shari’a exempts them from most laws”.
(continuing noise from the hallways, banging on doors)
7:44 “Did you know that in the Muslim marriage contract, it has three spaces for hte man to fill with his other wives and their addresses”. “The man does not vow loyalty to his wife…the marriage contract itself asks the girl to list if she is a virgin”
(chants of “let him go” from the hallway). Nonie responds: “Forgive him. They don’t”
“Women fear if they speak, they will be labeled apostates”. “In the latest bin Laden tape, he has asked, please convert as many foreigners as possible, so we can do a jihad from within”
“They even say it is compatible with democracy. How they say it, I don’t know”
7:47 “Just last month, 3 days before the annivcersary of 9-11 they had a parade in NY…they were carrying signs, you can check this, i’m not inventing it, the signs say ‘Muslims against democracy and western values’ ‘the holocaust is a hoax’, go to the internet and see it, i’m not lying”
“I would love to see Jihad taught as a personal struggle…it’s definition is ‘a permananet war institution with non-believers’; when I was in school, thats what we learned. That’s what every Arab kid learns. That’s why there’s hate. If Islam is a religion of peace, why are you teaching this? They are giving Islam a bad name”
7:50 “It is up to Muslims to cleanse Islam from this hateful propaganda”
“My daughter was in Cairo, she was wearing jeans and a t-shirt. She bent to carry her luggage. And her skin showed an inch. A woman slaped that part of her skin, and told her, ‘cover up you woman!’ She said, ‘Mom, why are they doing this?’ They want to dominate your life from the day you are born”.
7:54 Cites cab drivers who won’t carry passenger with alcohol, women wearing veils in liscense pictures, the “6 flying imams”, the demands for footbaths in public schools in America. “I have never seen these faucets in any school or business in Egypt. Only in mosques, where they are supposed to be”. “Then they blame Americans for being Islamophobes”
“I did not come to America to be a Wahabbi Saudi. I came to be an American”
7:55 “We are taught not to lie, except in a state of war against infidels, or to bring other Muslims together, or lying to your wife to improve the relationship….Muslims have created a culture of not knowing the difference between lies and truth”.
7:58 Says that American presence is rejected; “I heard Arab intellectuals saying ‘We have to use oil as a weapon”. “In American church, we hear ‘we are all sinners’, in Mosques you hear ‘They are sinners’ “. “Why am I talking about the Middle East? Because they are the factory that’s producing the people who are killing us”.
8:00 “To them, the solution is always an intifadeh. That’s their solution, what they offer the people who come to pray. Did you know the cartoons riots in Pakistan happened after a Friday praper?”. “No government is Muslim enough for them”.
“They are assassinating every leader in Lebanon who is against Syrian occupation and Hezbollah”. “They don’t want seperation of Church and State, and they are trying to do the same thing in the West, incrementally. That’s why the Muslim world is in constant turmoil. Islamo-fascism is the end result”.
8:03 “Even the people standing outside, I bet they’re concerned”. “If it happens…we’re gonna have another Middle East here. Do you want me to shut up and not warn you?”
8:05 On the governments of Arab countries:”They finance Islamic studies departments in America…there is not one univeristy in the Arab world that has Christian or Jewish studies departments”.
“Even the Kurds, who are Muslims, are rejected”. “Chechnya can happen in the west…They have caught us in a time of tolerance and multi-culturalism. In doing this, the West is not doing Islam a favor. The people outside, they are not doing Islam a favor. When your child misbehaves, and you look the other way, that’s not being a good mother. That’s gross negligence”
Conclusion:
8:08 “What are we going to do about it? Are we going to remain silent and attack the messenger?”. “What are the muslim moderates doing right now about this? Are we going to stand by them, or are we going to fail them?…if Islam is a religion of peace, then we must demand better from our religious leaders…Ayatollahs, Mullahs, and sheiks who act like Allah; who issue fatwas against people who are exercising human rights…Feminists and everyone else concerned with human freedom must concern themselves with..those who are risking their lives…I ask the support of the American left. We are oppressed in the middle east! The terrorists are not freedom fighters, we are! They are our oppressors”
Q & A:
-Question about Abu Ghraib; “I’d rather have Abu Ghraib happen to me than what (happens to the Iraqi soldiers under Saddam)”
-Secularization: “I am for the seperation of Church and State, I don’t want any religion to rule America” (interrptions from the audience).
-What percent of Muslims are fascists in the United States: “God knows”. She soundly reubkes the protesters saying “go protest in front of the White house” (continued shouting, interruptions)
-If American Muslims love peace, why won’t they say so? “Nobody dragged you (Muslim immigrants) to America like the black slaves. You stood in line for who knows how long to get that Visa!”
8:20 Audience interrputions as Ms Darwish leaves the stage; arguments, shouting.
Ms Darwish and Ross Lingenfelder.
Thanks for the updates… I appreciate them.
Comment by Vince P — 10/22/2007 @ 8:03 pm
I find it interesting that the people protesting the speeches of speakers during IFAW use the same old tired bumper-sticker words like “racist” ,”islamaphobe”,”bigot”, but none of them can contradict a single word that nonie spoke about the treatment of women in the islamic world. even her last line “muslims have created a culture of not knowing the difference between truth and lies”. they have no arguments—so on to tired, old hackneyed buzzwords!
Comment by ed — 10/22/2007 @ 8:21 pm
“there is not one univeristy in the Arab world that has Christian or Jewish studies departments”.
WoW, no wonder they believe that the rest of the world lives in Hell and is inhabited by evil demons. They have nothing to compare themselves too.
Thanks Megan for doing this.
Comment by Wdepwyw — 10/22/2007 @ 8:24 pm
I like how Nonie Darwish’s brain can only process two possibilities: Abu Ghraib in the hands of America or Saddam. This is the type of dichotomy that she sets up throughout her talk and in her book: as if there is only a choice between this thing called America and this thing called Islamofascism. Really? If you are against torture by American soldiers you have to accept Saddam Hussein? I was unaware that you could not be opposed to both without being accused of being an Islamofascist.
And, Megan, I like how you say she grew up in a “Jihadist” family. Yeah, right, when you are living under the most secular government in Egypt’s modern history, the Nasser regime, and your father works for a national army, you are not a “jihadist.” This is like calling the family of Pat Tillman a “Jihadist” family. Do you realize how absurd that is?
I also like that ed considers words like “racist” and “bigot” to be tired words, as if “fascist” and “islamofascist” are not in that category. Those protesting the event are few in number–like those attending the event–and they definitely are not representative of the wide opposition to this week on campus.
Comment by yaman — 10/22/2007 @ 8:44 pm
>And, Megan, I like how you say she grew up in a “Jihadist” family. Yeah, right, when you are living under the most secular government in Egypt’s modern history, the Nasser regime, and your father works for a national army, you are not a “jihadist.”
That’s how Noonie describes her own upbringing,sport.
The Arabs know what they’re doing. They’re not pampered idiot Marxist college students.
Hatred of Jews is part and parcel of their upbringing because of their faith. Jihad against Jews is exactly what it was.
Who are you to tell her it wasn’t?
Comment by Vince P — 10/22/2007 @ 8:50 pm
For all those curious about BCR’s feminism: http://www.yamansalahi.com/2007/10/22/california-patriot/berkeley-college-republicans-and-feminism/
Comment by yaman — 10/22/2007 @ 9:02 pm
Yaman-
Just to address your last point. While I often vehemently disagree with BCR’s stance on many issues, I think their satire on feminism in your link was directed more towards the concept of feminism in the United States. In general, when people think of feminism, they aren’t thinking about the kinds of things that Nonie described in her speech, but rather those in the United States who are still complaining about the place of women in our society (glass ceiling, etc.) I would hope that you’d be hard-pressed to find people in BCR that support fgm (female genital mutilation), or honor killings, or the like… they just don’t necessarily see their disagreement with those issues as a “feminist” viewpoint.
Comment by lindsay — 10/22/2007 @ 9:47 pm
uh? yaman? the word “jihadist” applies strictly to muslims, and since the tillmans are not muslim, it cannot be applied to them.
Comment by ed — 10/22/2007 @ 10:27 pm
hey guys, I’m not making any “claims” here. Just reporting what was said. So it’s fine if you disagree.
Comment by megans — 10/22/2007 @ 10:41 pm
“That’s how Noonie describes her own upbringing,sport.”
Apparently his brain cannot process anything. So sad.
Comment by wisaasgg — 10/22/2007 @ 11:22 pm
Duly noted and cognately observed. Appreciate the sacrifice to do this Megs. LGFs did not go un interested.
Comment by wisaasgg — 10/22/2007 @ 11:24 pm
Yaman, that article was the idea of the woman who was the then editor-in-chief of the California Patriot, check her our. It was meant as satire towards the absurdity of the “feminists” in the US who are silent about women under sharia’.
It my view, it is disgraceful for both men and women to dress and act as sluts/pimps the way so many do in our society today. We think it’s so “feminist” for people to support aborting children, when really having or raising a child is the most manly or womanly thing two people can do. Feminism and masculinity doesn’t mean spreading your legs with every one you see, the mark of a good man or a good woman is commitment to a family and to children.
Feminism has been hijacked by the liberals.
Also, as someone else also wrote, Nonie describe her own family as jihadist. Her experience, she claims, isn’t comperable to someone someone who grew up in the US. She says she was taught from a young age to hate the Jews and to want to kill Jews. While racism is still alive in the United States, the priciples of our society, the foundation of our identity, is equality under ther law, freedom of the individual. We as a nation have struggled to ensure freedom and equality under the law, and we’re still not perfect, but at least we as a society recognize that that should be our goal.
God Bless you all.
Comment by I have no name — 10/22/2007 @ 11:38 pm
I don’t care if the anti-feminist at the Patriot at the time was a woman–that does not necessarily legitimize her view, just as Nonie Darwish’s ethnic background does not legitimize the crude judgments she rushes to. My point is exactly and precisely that Nonie Darwish calls her family “jihadist” only because they were raised in a Muslim society, when the specific features that she is complaining about have nothing to do with its religious character, per se, but with the aspects of war she is talking about. In her book she complains a lot that her father was called a “shahid.” But this glorification is nothing different from what any other country does when its soldiers are killed in battle, which is to glorify them. It is one thing for her to be a pacifist–which she clearly is not given her rabid support for the war in Iraq and for continuous war. But if she is going to take all these features, which are quite typical of war in general, and pretend that they only apply to Muslim society by using Arabic words for phenomena that can be described rather fully in English, then she is not against these features of war in general, but only when they arise out of a Muslim or Arab context. She is feeding off of her audience’s xenophobic attitudes towards Arabs and Muslims in order to gain support for her position. Do you think her speech would be as effective if she said “war” instead of “jihad,” or “fallen soldier”/”martyr” instead of “shahid?” It quite obviously would not be, which is the main content of my complaint here: that in her book–and I have read most of it–she is quite clearly complaining about features that are common to war everywhere and yet she talks about it as if it is exclusive to Muslims, and as if concepts of martyrdom do not plague our talk here in America about wars and about soldiers EVEN IF soldiers died in the service of the ugliest, most brutal, and most inhumane wars in American history, like the Vietnam and Korean wars.
Comment by yaman — 10/23/2007 @ 12:02 am
i think WWII and the civil war were blood too.
why did we declare war on Germany? Japan hit us on Pearl Harbor!
no more war!
Comment by anonymous — 10/23/2007 @ 12:17 am
Yaman Salafi keeps trolling here. If he really wants to maintain that what Ms. Darwish is calling attention to and what the rest of this week were set up to call attention to are just like what goes on in this country, then he and anyone else who thinks that line is reasonable should come to the screening of “Obsession” Wednesday in 60 Evans. You’ll see that, yes, jihad does have its parallel in history, just not in the US, and that the term “Islamo-fascism” is an apt description. You’ll also learn about how “Palestinian” “liberation” was intimately tied into Nazi attempts, through the Mufti of Jerusalem at the time, to recruit Muslims to the Holocaust, a fact that unfortunately appears to have survived the Nazis.
Comment by Tom — 10/23/2007 @ 12:56 am
You’re the genius who comes up with Yaman Salafi and I’m the troll? It’s good of you to reduce everything I said to “jihad is equivalent to what’s going on in this country,” but that is not what I said at all. I said that the jihad Nonie Darwish talks about in her book is nothing more than war. There is no theological elaboration of jihad, just a rehashing of the cliches that dominated all right-wing (and some liberal) discourse regarding jihad. Of course she does not have the background to discuss these issues on anything but a superficial level, and, while the personal tragedies she’s faced in her life really are quite unfortunate, are you really going to believe a woman who was raised in an elite and spoiled household–probably in the most secular elements of Egyptian society–when she comes talking to you about Egyptian society in vast generalizations without presenting evidence, just her own opinions and perceptions? Are you really surprised that in a country at war, the government was encouraging its citizens to rally behind the war effort? Are you really surprised that in a time of war, the government eulogized those who were killed in war? Because, if you’ve read her book, which you probably have not bothered doing since you don’t really care, you’d see that she focuses exclusively on these features of war, and gives them exotic titles like “jihad” and “shahid,” when they are nothing more than alternative articulations of exactly the same phenomena we see today. The jihad in Islamic theology is different from Nonie Darwish’s jihad, and my point is that her jihad, the features of it that she objects to in her book, are nothing more than war in general, and even she does not recognize this fact.
Comment by yaman — 10/23/2007 @ 1:29 am
Three-fourths of the solders in the Germany Army in the very last year, in the south-eastern theater of Europe were recruited Muslims.
Maybe that is why Mahmud argues that the Holocaust was a fabrication.
Comment by wisaasgg — 10/23/2007 @ 1:53 am
>My point is exactly and precisely that Nonie Darwish calls her family “jihadist” only because they were raised in a Muslim society
Well.. duh. Jihadism is pretty exclusive to Islam. What should she call it? Obsessive Compulsive Nihilistic Antisemitic Disorder?
>when the specific features that she is complaining about have nothing to do with its religious character, per se, but with the aspects of war she is talking about.
I’m pretty sure her complaints weren’t limited ONLY to the tactics used… therefore the tactics, no matter how similiar or dissimiliar to other styles of combat) arent the issue. Her religion had EVERYTHING to do with the fact they felt compelled to remain at war and to remain at war until they destroyed Israel.
And as far as the rest of things you dismissed of her, they are flow from Islam.
It’s not that any one aspect can be found in other cultures.. it’s that ALL of what she endured was part of hers. She didn’t have to endure just the death worship.. she had to endure the total war, the perputal war, the perputual emnity between her and all non-muslims. It’s a package deal.
It’s easy to focus on one aspect and say “Well look.. the Klingons do it too” and then act as if things aren’t so bad… but it’s doubtful that any other culture has the totality of the perputual war outlook that Islam does.
Comment by Vince P — 10/23/2007 @ 4:53 am
Girls avoid schools as deadline expires.
The attendance at girls’ schools in a town in Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province dropped drastically on Monday after a deadline set by local militants ended on Sunday. They had made it ‘mandatory’ for girls to wear the burqa or full veil to school.
The Pakistani daily Dawn contacted some of the students who said they belonged to poor families and did not have enough money to buy or sew burqas, which cost between 600 and 800 rupees (about 9-13 US dollars) a piece. They said that under the circumstances, the only option they had was to abandon their education.
Local militants, who call themselves ‘Janbaz Taliban’, have been sending letters to educational institutions for girls, including the Girls’ Degree College in Dargai, about 100 kilometres north of the provincial capital Peshawar.
The letters warn the school and college administrations to direct their students to completely cover themselves by wearing the traditional head-to-toe burqa.
They had stated that institutions whose students failed to follow their ‘orders’, would be blown up.
The radicals had also ‘directed’ girls to avoid sitting in the front portions of vehicles with drivers while coming and going from schools or colleges.
Comment by dinah lord — 10/23/2007 @ 6:46 am
It was unfortunate that Ms. Darwish didn’t have time to answer more questions. Here is an interesting one which didn’t make it through:
“Dear Ms. Nonie Darwish,
With Islamo-fascism and Coorporate-Capitalism-fascism as minorities, how do we (the majority, the Earth Community) have a DIALOGUE, without labeling each other, to find common ground?
I agree that we have to stop spreading hate. Let’s teach through example rather than words. We are the Great Generation. The Earth is but ONE country and the Humankind its citizens.”
Comment by World Citizen — 10/23/2007 @ 9:32 am
regarding the article on feminism by the former Patriot EIC, the title was “the coherent case for feminism” and the idea was that some women are so completely hysterical about their case (read, some) that they depart from coherence, and yes, it was a joke.
Comment by megans — 10/23/2007 @ 10:41 am
I think we should have Professor James Gregor Fascism Awareness Week. Gregor is the most beloved professor of the Berkeley College Republicans, but BCR never mentions how Gregor published in fascist journals in the 1950s, supported eugenics, and fought the Brown vs. Board of Education decision that integrated public schools.
Comment by jonp72 — 10/24/2007 @ 9:24 am
meet me at the flagpole, jonp72.
attack BCR, but attack gregor and you will have to deal with ME!
Comment by anonymous — 10/24/2007 @ 8:33 pm
by the way, you show a profound lack of understanding of gregor’s work on fascism. if you had read even one chapter of one of his books you would realize how ignorant your post was. plus, he didn’t “fight” the Brown case. you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Comment by anonymous — 10/24/2007 @ 8:35 pm
Hmm… The Gregor Youth strikes again! Cult of personality? Check. Appeal to violence instead of reason? Check. You guys are already making my point for me.
Comment by jonp72 — 10/24/2007 @ 9:28 pm
As a part of “Islamofascism Awareness Week”, Nonie Darwish spoke at U.C. Berkeley on October 22. As usual, Islamofascists and their Dhimmi supporters have shown their unwavering resolve to crush any type of dissent. One the members of the “Students for Justice in Palestine” claimed that the purpose of the “Islamofascism Awareness Week” is to reinvigorate anti-Muslim and anti-Arab campaign. Given the fact that the speaker, Nonie Darwish, is both Muslim and Arab it truly shows the depth of brainwashing on campus.
Berkeley, the recipient of The Dhimmi Award.
Comment by Muslims Against Sharia — 10/24/2007 @ 10:08 pm
Nonie Darwish is a convert to evangelical Christianity. She hasn’t practiced Islam in years.
Comment by jonp72 — 10/25/2007 @ 5:36 am
Just because Ms. Darwish is a Christian now does not mean that you can discredit her. She lived in the Middle East for 30 years and has good insight concerning Islam and other issues in that part of the world.
Comment by anon-a-mouse — 10/25/2007 @ 4:52 pm
Jeez, you campus wingnuts are getting worse and worse at the simplest argumentation skills. It does not “discredit” Ms. Darwish to say that she’s an evangelical Christian. It’s a plain, simple fact. There are YouTube clips where she discusses her conversion to Christianity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVmbb2PguDE
This week isn’t about a reasoned discussion of fascism. It’s about fomenting hatred for all things Muslim so you can trick more people in to supporting war on Iran, while diverting people’s attention away from the mess in Iraq.
By the way, I know several people from Israel and the rest of the Middle East. How many have you met that weren’t on a right-wing payroll?
Comment by jonp72 — 10/25/2007 @ 9:01 pm
Good Work!
These fascist wackos can not be allowed to become more violent, if they do they must be taken down; unlike in Europe where they are getting away viscious beatings on supporters of Anti-Islamofascists.
Like recently, the fascist anarchist thugs who beat the leader of SIAD and some supporters in Copenhagen last Sunday with metal pipes, they are total human garbage, and so are the law enforcement pigs who let them get away with it.
Fight back against those that stone gays and adulterers to death! Democracy NOT Theocracy!
I think we all must start calling the Islamofascists ‘racists’. We should scream that they are hateful towards the Christian race, and the Jewish race, and the Hindu race, and the Atheist Race, that they are Christianityphobiasts. They will scream that Christianity is not a race, and we’ll say:
“See, Islam is NOT a race either.
And by the way, the Bible doesn’t say to convert, conquer or kill non-Christians (and any similar violent BS the Christians long ago grew out of) like the Koran says to do to non-Muslims. So there YOU RACIST hater of non-Muslims! You’re a Kuffarphobic!”
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don’t call a spade a spade
Islamist terrorism
not related to Islam
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
you have NO rights
to hate religions
that demand to convert you
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe calls
for sick ideologies
that deny human rights
KILL adulterers and gays
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
be very afraid…
of saying the wrong things
TRUTH is especially BAD
.
http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Comment by USpace — 10/28/2007 @ 11:30 am
Appeal to violence instead of reason? — jonp72
Actually that is what the left deemed the only way to power – by violence. The ‘60s at Berkeley demonstrated that. That is how the left took over the school. The left is in love with power, it is like “spring Time for Hillary and the Democratic Party. In Fact, Dr. Lefty himself, Karl Marx argued that violence was the only way to get what one wants. He was the father of the modern left.
Comment by dfdfff — 10/28/2007 @ 10:32 pm
What do you want? Islam is a theocracy, they come here and demand special treatment. How about opening Islamic countries, all of them to Christianity – No- way right. Never will happen, unless of course they are good little slaves. Christians have never been treated equal in traditional Islamic societies. In the Abbasid Empire, when Christians wanted full rights, they converted, but the Arab-blood born leaders, said you still pay second class taxes. I do not what excuse they claimed. It just shows tolerance is a two way street. Over in many places in the middle east Christian cannot live. Then Muslims come over to America and cry that they are treated unfairly because they cannot have a caliphate within the boarders of the USA. You fool NO ONE!
Comment by dfdfff — 10/28/2007 @ 10:40 pm