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	<title>Comments on: Part I- &#8220;Race&#8221; for the ASUC</title>
	<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/</link>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew Lover</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24403</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robby, the conclusions you draw about my dear friend Andrew are totally wrong. I have seen him work with people from "diverse communities," as you would put it, in an effective way." He has accomplished "real" results that have enriched our "real" school. "Real"ly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robby, the conclusions you draw about my dear friend Andrew are totally wrong. I have seen him work with people from &#8220;diverse communities,&#8221; as you would put it, in an effective way.&#8221; He has accomplished &#8220;real&#8221; results that have enriched our &#8220;real&#8221; school. &#8220;Real&#8221;ly.</p>
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		<title>By: arquinio</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24348</link>
		<dc:creator>arquinio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24348</guid>
		<description>Robby, I knocked down specific candidates, but nowhere in my post did I knock down or belittle whole communities as you suggest. 

You write of the "real strategies for bringing students together," but so far the only strategy that CalSERVE has offered is the construction of a multicultural center. 

If this post is a reflection of my character, then I am glad. My future friends, colleagues, and co-workers will at least know that I, unlike some of CalSERVE's candidates, don't view individuals who share my skin color as helpless victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robby, I knocked down specific candidates, but nowhere in my post did I knock down or belittle whole communities as you suggest. </p>
<p>You write of the &#8220;real strategies for bringing students together,&#8221; but so far the only strategy that CalSERVE has offered is the construction of a multicultural center. </p>
<p>If this post is a reflection of my character, then I am glad. My future friends, colleagues, and co-workers will at least know that I, unlike some of CalSERVE&#8217;s candidates, don&#8217;t view individuals who share my skin color as helpless victims.</p>
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		<title>By: arquinio</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24347</link>
		<dc:creator>arquinio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24347</guid>
		<description>Anonymous, I don't doubt at all that there is "passion, seriousness, and qualification" among the candidates. All of that is absolutely there, which is why I'm taking their platforms seriously. If the candidates weren't serious about increasing the funding of the Ethnic Studies department or establishing a multicultural center (things which I believe should be at the bottom of the ASUC's list), I wouldn't have blogged about it in the first place. And I have spoken to many of the candidates on Sproul, and what they have told me in person mostly matches up with what they have on paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, I don&#8217;t doubt at all that there is &#8220;passion, seriousness, and qualification&#8221; among the candidates. All of that is absolutely there, which is why I&#8217;m taking their platforms seriously. If the candidates weren&#8217;t serious about increasing the funding of the Ethnic Studies department or establishing a multicultural center (things which I believe should be at the bottom of the ASUC&#8217;s list), I wouldn&#8217;t have blogged about it in the first place. And I have spoken to many of the candidates on Sproul, and what they have told me in person mostly matches up with what they have on paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24344</link>
		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 01:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24344</guid>
		<description>Andrew Quinio: This article shows how you have really missed the mark on race and diversity.  

First of all, how can you knock down people and whole communities for being divisive, when the whole point of your article (and magazine) is to be divisive? You have no real strategy for bringing together students from diverse communities – whose differences are real – to get beyond race, other than to ignore those differences altogether. You may have been privileged to live in a world where your background didn’t matter, but for the majority of people on earth, this is not the case.  People from different communities have different experiences that are related to, but not determined by, their racial and ethnic backgrounds.  The simple existence of these communities and organizations on campus is evidence of this fact. Moving towards a post-racial future will take much more than simple ignorance of these differences. Belittling real communities on campus does nothing to help unify students from different racial and ethnic backgrounds. What is the point of your article, other than to divide?

As a member of one of these communities, I’ll be the first to admit that there are definite problems and issues that we have relating to other students on campus.  But the fact is, unlike you, we try to develop real strategies for bringing students together that don’t involve ignoring people’s backgrounds and demeaning the existence of real communities on campus.  We know that being colorblind will do nothing to bring together different communities on campus, and understand that it takes hard work and dialogue to build relationships within and between communities. You can’t just will organizations and whole communities to come together from your perch at the Patriot. You need to live in the real world, engage with these communities on the ground, and think about real strategies for bringing different communities together.

Second you mistake diversity for divisiveness.  This argument does not hold water in the real world because you ignore the fact that CalSERVE is a coalition of diverse communities.  Recognizing that diversity is real and that people have different backgrounds and experiences is in no way at ends with bringing students together. It is outrageous that someone who has so little experience unifying students on campus among racial lines can belittle students who have actually done the hard work of building relationships within and between different communities.

However, despite all the issues I have with your article, I am glad that you wrote it.  Thanks to the wonders of the internet, it will be forever linked to your name, and can be something that all your future friends, colleagues, and coworkers can reference in making a decision about your personal character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Quinio: This article shows how you have really missed the mark on race and diversity.  </p>
<p>First of all, how can you knock down people and whole communities for being divisive, when the whole point of your article (and magazine) is to be divisive? You have no real strategy for bringing together students from diverse communities – whose differences are real – to get beyond race, other than to ignore those differences altogether. You may have been privileged to live in a world where your background didn’t matter, but for the majority of people on earth, this is not the case.  People from different communities have different experiences that are related to, but not determined by, their racial and ethnic backgrounds.  The simple existence of these communities and organizations on campus is evidence of this fact. Moving towards a post-racial future will take much more than simple ignorance of these differences. Belittling real communities on campus does nothing to help unify students from different racial and ethnic backgrounds. What is the point of your article, other than to divide?</p>
<p>As a member of one of these communities, I’ll be the first to admit that there are definite problems and issues that we have relating to other students on campus.  But the fact is, unlike you, we try to develop real strategies for bringing students together that don’t involve ignoring people’s backgrounds and demeaning the existence of real communities on campus.  We know that being colorblind will do nothing to bring together different communities on campus, and understand that it takes hard work and dialogue to build relationships within and between communities. You can’t just will organizations and whole communities to come together from your perch at the Patriot. You need to live in the real world, engage with these communities on the ground, and think about real strategies for bringing different communities together.</p>
<p>Second you mistake diversity for divisiveness.  This argument does not hold water in the real world because you ignore the fact that CalSERVE is a coalition of diverse communities.  Recognizing that diversity is real and that people have different backgrounds and experiences is in no way at ends with bringing students together. It is outrageous that someone who has so little experience unifying students on campus among racial lines can belittle students who have actually done the hard work of building relationships within and between different communities.</p>
<p>However, despite all the issues I have with your article, I am glad that you wrote it.  Thanks to the wonders of the internet, it will be forever linked to your name, and can be something that all your future friends, colleagues, and coworkers can reference in making a decision about your personal character.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24342</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24342</guid>
		<description>I don't think platform descriptions are legitimate ways to ascertain whether someone is serious or qualified enough for a position. Try talking to the candidates instead of going by word-limited and spell checked summaries. I can assure you that there IS passion, seriousness, and qualification out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think platform descriptions are legitimate ways to ascertain whether someone is serious or qualified enough for a position. Try talking to the candidates instead of going by word-limited and spell checked summaries. I can assure you that there IS passion, seriousness, and qualification out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24340</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24340</guid>
		<description>I did my grad degree at Cal. I can assure you that serious students have no time for this crap or interest in it. 

If "students" want to spend their time worrying about this nonsense, I suggest they go back to junior college where they will have all the time in the world to do so. 

Serious students, in serious departments, have no time for this. 

Anyone that does has no business being at Cal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did my grad degree at Cal. I can assure you that serious students have no time for this crap or interest in it. </p>
<p>If &#8220;students&#8221; want to spend their time worrying about this nonsense, I suggest they go back to junior college where they will have all the time in the world to do so. </p>
<p>Serious students, in serious departments, have no time for this. </p>
<p>Anyone that does has no business being at Cal.</p>
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		<title>By: I Love Israel</title>
		<link>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24333</link>
		<dc:creator>I Love Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.californiapatriot.org/blog/2008/04/02/part-i-race-for-the-asuc/#comment-24333</guid>
		<description>One offender from Student Action is Tara Raffi #117. One of her three platforms is "Jewish Community Support."

"blah blah blah... I will work diligently to foster cross-cultural interactions through continued support for funding and activities."

Same as the other ethnicly/racially based groups. At least she'll take the right stance on "Peace not Prejudice Week." 

However, this still is a lame way to run a 'governmental' body. The ASUC should focus on more important things... like how to selfdestruct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One offender from Student Action is Tara Raffi #117. One of her three platforms is &#8220;Jewish Community Support.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;blah blah blah&#8230; I will work diligently to foster cross-cultural interactions through continued support for funding and activities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Same as the other ethnicly/racially based groups. At least she&#8217;ll take the right stance on &#8220;Peace not Prejudice Week.&#8221; </p>
<p>However, this still is a lame way to run a &#8216;governmental&#8217; body. The ASUC should focus on more important things&#8230; like how to selfdestruct.</p>
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